Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:34:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Put me firmly in the no respec crowd, can't even guess as to how many times I said on these forums, go shove your core flaylock up your cal logis a$$, you don't get a respec.
They hurt the game, they are contrary to the core tenet that your decisions matter, and the more they give them, the more people, will start whining for them every patch. Don't even get me started on the idea of pay-to-win respecs, I might have a stroke.
But...
If 1.8 (or 2.0, might be more representative) actually does pull in all these new bonuses, and all the new suits, at least a dropsuit tree respec is in order. Full respec? I dunno, I mean I don't see why people need to make major changes to their core upgrades, those help everyone.
Why this and not a respec of weapons with the new sidearms and the recent 2 new rifles? Well, weapons are actually the least of all of the SP sinks in the game, I mean, everyone got the new rifles to proto in like a week. Takes a lot longer than that for a suit.
Choices do matter, but not if CCP forced you to make a false one because they released an incomplete game. If all I had right now was a minmatar heavy I would not be happy about it, I'd want to get that dirty duct tape covered women's self defense class target suit off me 5 minutes after the new one was released.
With all the suits out, it's almost like actually being out of beta. A fresh start for people using gear they were forced to use, not chose because it was OP, is quite fair.
Hey, those FOTM users pointed out balance issues with weapons and Mods. They don't hurt the game any more than you hurt the game. They are playing a "game".
And not every single person is this evil player you see(FOTM), demanding respecs. Grow up people.
Maybe after they put a little more RPG in what is currently a FPS, I'll agree that choices do matter. But when you are forced into the same role for a year, doing this same game mode/ maps over and over, you get bored.
In the months before 1.7, I had pretty much stopped playing. Every single match was the same. There was no grand goal to aim for. I had my SP for a given role, and began branching out to another role (a mistake I could not foresee by the way, had I known then what I know now, all my points would be in tanks!).
I mean really, after I max out a given role, I want to use that role to do more than the same **** I do all the time. The point and goal of specializing in a given role, atm, is to simply be stronger and more versatile. Let's take WoW for example (vanilla WoW). You leveled up to 60 max level, in a given role. If WoW was like dust, then you would keep doing the same thing you did to get to level 60, grind and kill. But the point here you wouldn't be gaining any experience.
But, you still did grind, but there was a purpose beyond gaining a new level. It was for potions and enchants, weapons and armor. All of which was for beating Rag, then you farm Rag for your best gear. There was a reason to keep going. Not to mention, organizing 40 people was amazing to defeat something. Kinda like dust, it was big on the team aspect.
But in dust, once you max out your given role, what is the point?
I could say PC, but PC is far too small to accommodate everyone out there. But PC is the END GAME. It's like Molten Core. But given most don't do PC or simply can't get into PC, what is the point? The only thing keeping me going is PC, and the respec of my tanking point helped quite a bit.
So what is there to do after you max out your role, oh I know, KEEP LEVELING. But for what, there has to be some tangible goal at the end of the tunnel. For anyone other than a power gamer, reaching the max of your given role will take many months (7 months in myself and at 11 mil SP).
So now reaching a new role after the first is going to take a bit. I HATED leveling in WoW, at least I did after I reached 60. I did the awful grind, but in dust, that is ALL I'm doing. That god awful grind. PC keeps me somewhat interested, but beyond PC, I might only play a one or two Pub matches.
Even the new FW, grind to get gear, but for what? So you can better stomp in your PUBS! I already stomp in pubs, WITHOUT THAT GEAR. Not to mention the fact that I lose money by doing FW.
A respec though, allows you to completely change your role. Gives you something fresh and new to play with. Though you may be doing the same stuff as before, now you are doing so from a fresh new perspective. You don't have to do this same boring grind, until dust's competition comes out (It's coming!).
This game is like freakin CoD, with a skill tree. Some people may like that, but I came into this game expecting more than another CoD.
People want respecs, not because they want to go into the next FOTM or any other ridiculous excuse you can come up with.
They want one because they are tired of leveling, to no end.
Nuff Said
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:56:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Bethhy wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Bethhy wrote:Ever wonder why we had Cal Logi's everywhere.., Hint, it involved respec's. ;) We would have had them anyways, it just would have taken a little longer. That's a balance issue, not a respec issue. Yes because we are going to have a balanced patch release from CCP?  You can spit hypothetical's all you want, 2 respec's in DUST, 2 massive issues for DUST. specially in NPE.. Even worse for balance. This is replicated in every MMO where respec's became suddenly available, or offered for a limited time. I don't care either way, respecs have happened a number of times in the past, and the trend will continue until all basic material is in the game, and likely afterwords in the form of paid SP buyback boosters. If CCP didn't want respecs in DUST, they wouldn't have tied SP with $$ Eve is more of a grind and the SP is tied into $$ just as much... guess what? no respecs for over a decade and counting. Feeling entitled to a respec because some things change on your suit is funny to most EVE players, who have had things change hundreds of times with no offer of a respec. People pretend like the SP they spent is never gonna be useful again, but they know they would rather just max out the skills around one premise again. and fix all the little skill mistakes they had. Against full respec. For reimbursal of the modified dropsuit SP, and a increased SP event.
You cannot compare Dust 514 to EvE online. Made by the same people, but totally different games.
And you most certainly can't go comparing the skills of EVE with the skills of Dust.
And for me, nothing to do with entitlement. This isn't EVE where there are endless things to do. And endless ways to go about doing them.
This IS a FPS.
Once a year KEEPS PEOPLE INTERESTED. Everyone is so worried about content, RESPEC IS CONTENT. What is so wrong with that??
I mean I really don't get it. EVE fanboys keep comparing this to EVE, but WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS A NEW FPS LIKE EVERY MONTH??????
Because that **** gets old and we want to do something different.
Nuff Said
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